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		By: Neil		</title>
		<link>https://www.eatout.co.za/article/dirty-shame-tipping-restaurant-industry/#comment-473274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An interesting article but it misses vital points and uses examples that cannot be equated to South Africa.

Firstly, it’s important to understand the difference between ‘serving’ and ‘service’. Most restaurants just about manage to serve their guests in SA but the level of service is generally poor compared to other countries. While training is the issue here it should be remembered that tipping is a reward for good service. Those responsible for guest satisfaction are those that provide great service to their guests. Many restaurants that created incredible food have failed because of a front of house team that weren’t good at their job. They are as important as back of house as part of the team but essential for a successful business so should be rewarded as such. Tips are a direct way for guests to show their appreciation. 

It is important to make the distinction between hospitality professionals and casual employees. You cited an example of all-inclusive pricing in an expensive fine dining restaurant that, on the face of things, was working. Job applications were up but at what price? Anyone can call themselves a waiter if you’ve ever handed a plate of food to someone and been paid for it, that doesn’t make one a professional. Surely, the dross looking for the highest salaries will apply, not necessarily professionals nor those able to offer the best service. Which brings me to the next point: What kind of cook will give up their vocation to become a waiter just for money? Will they be a professional or will they merely be able to serve adequately for moderate reward? I would suspect this plays a part in the crux of the debate, if service was worth it, no one would complain about tipping!

My last point is that of wages and business models. If a restaurant has a good chef I would suggest he’s paid well. If a kitchen porter is fantastic then pay him well. Menus should be priced to reflect the wage bill of those team members that are unable to influence the guest experience rather than trying to squeeze everyone’s wages into a percentage of the restaurant’s revenue. Inevitably, those further down the pecking order will lose out. Waiters still have the opportunity to influence their income and a reputation for good tips will attract the best waiters. The reputation of the restaurant will follow suit.

Finally, a response to an earlier comment about drinks. There isn’t any other business that is expected to sell a product free from a reasonable profit, why should restaurants not make money from drinks? And, if you feel it’s unfair to tip on them, remember this; the restaurant has to purchase the drinks (a cash investment that can last many years in the case of wine), they serve them in polished glasses, sometimes with ice, by a low paid waiter at a cost to the business. If you’re lucky, it will be by a sommelier with many years of training that they’ve paid for from their own pocket. If you don’t feel you should tip them why don’t you take your own drinks, glasses, ice etc. pour your own drinks and have a lovely time knowing you won’t have to pay a tip for the privilege of being served.... or you could just stay at home!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting article but it misses vital points and uses examples that cannot be equated to South Africa.</p>
<p>Firstly, it’s important to understand the difference between ‘serving’ and ‘service’. Most restaurants just about manage to serve their guests in SA but the level of service is generally poor compared to other countries. While training is the issue here it should be remembered that tipping is a reward for good service. Those responsible for guest satisfaction are those that provide great service to their guests. Many restaurants that created incredible food have failed because of a front of house team that weren’t good at their job. They are as important as back of house as part of the team but essential for a successful business so should be rewarded as such. Tips are a direct way for guests to show their appreciation. </p>
<p>It is important to make the distinction between hospitality professionals and casual employees. You cited an example of all-inclusive pricing in an expensive fine dining restaurant that, on the face of things, was working. Job applications were up but at what price? Anyone can call themselves a waiter if you’ve ever handed a plate of food to someone and been paid for it, that doesn’t make one a professional. Surely, the dross looking for the highest salaries will apply, not necessarily professionals nor those able to offer the best service. Which brings me to the next point: What kind of cook will give up their vocation to become a waiter just for money? Will they be a professional or will they merely be able to serve adequately for moderate reward? I would suspect this plays a part in the crux of the debate, if service was worth it, no one would complain about tipping!</p>
<p>My last point is that of wages and business models. If a restaurant has a good chef I would suggest he’s paid well. If a kitchen porter is fantastic then pay him well. Menus should be priced to reflect the wage bill of those team members that are unable to influence the guest experience rather than trying to squeeze everyone’s wages into a percentage of the restaurant’s revenue. Inevitably, those further down the pecking order will lose out. Waiters still have the opportunity to influence their income and a reputation for good tips will attract the best waiters. The reputation of the restaurant will follow suit.</p>
<p>Finally, a response to an earlier comment about drinks. There isn’t any other business that is expected to sell a product free from a reasonable profit, why should restaurants not make money from drinks? And, if you feel it’s unfair to tip on them, remember this; the restaurant has to purchase the drinks (a cash investment that can last many years in the case of wine), they serve them in polished glasses, sometimes with ice, by a low paid waiter at a cost to the business. If you’re lucky, it will be by a sommelier with many years of training that they’ve paid for from their own pocket. If you don’t feel you should tip them why don’t you take your own drinks, glasses, ice etc. pour your own drinks and have a lovely time knowing you won’t have to pay a tip for the privilege of being served&#8230;. or you could just stay at home!</p>
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		By: Lesley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 07:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would much prefer to have the tip included as in France.  One of my pet hates is having to include a tip on the wine which has already been marked up by a 200% in some cases by the restaurant and then having a waitron continually pouring the wine to encourage buying another bottle.  Again in France, eating out is such a pleasure, wine is brought to the table and you are left to pour and enjoy without some pushy waitron continually hovering over you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would much prefer to have the tip included as in France.  One of my pet hates is having to include a tip on the wine which has already been marked up by a 200% in some cases by the restaurant and then having a waitron continually pouring the wine to encourage buying another bottle.  Again in France, eating out is such a pleasure, wine is brought to the table and you are left to pour and enjoy without some pushy waitron continually hovering over you.</p>
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		By: Eat Out		</title>
		<link>https://www.eatout.co.za/article/dirty-shame-tipping-restaurant-industry/#comment-472016</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eat Out]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2018 14:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.eatout.co.za/article/dirty-shame-tipping-restaurant-industry/#comment-470867&quot;&gt;Ashleigh&lt;/a&gt;.

Sho, that is a harsh system! Thanks for sharing your insight, Ashleigh!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.eatout.co.za/article/dirty-shame-tipping-restaurant-industry/#comment-470867">Ashleigh</a>.</p>
<p>Sho, that is a harsh system! Thanks for sharing your insight, Ashleigh!</p>
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		By: Sheryl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2018 05:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really like the idea of the inclusive tip being shared amongst front and backend staff. In fact - it’s a great idea! Provided the tips are actually shared and not pocketed by one or two people]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the idea of the inclusive tip being shared amongst front and backend staff. In fact &#8211; it’s a great idea! Provided the tips are actually shared and not pocketed by one or two people</p>
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		By: Ashleigh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 11:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What you didn&#039;t mention is that a lot of restaurants require the wait staff to tip the bar and kitchen staff a certain percentage of their total turnover for the evening. This is a great way to encourage camaraderie between back and front house staff, BUT it means that if a table undertips or doesn&#039;t tip a waiter at all for a table (this happens all the time in SA no matter how excellently you attempt to serve people), that waiter ends up having to pay out of their own pocket to have served that table. I wish people had realised that when I was waitressing back in the day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you didn&#8217;t mention is that a lot of restaurants require the wait staff to tip the bar and kitchen staff a certain percentage of their total turnover for the evening. This is a great way to encourage camaraderie between back and front house staff, BUT it means that if a table undertips or doesn&#8217;t tip a waiter at all for a table (this happens all the time in SA no matter how excellently you attempt to serve people), that waiter ends up having to pay out of their own pocket to have served that table. I wish people had realised that when I was waitressing back in the day.</p>
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		By: Lynette du Plessis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynette du Plessis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 08:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would love not to have to tip as I feel that mostly my experience with waiters are that they do you a favour to take your order and in return expect you to tip.  I have often wanted to thank a chef for good food but cannot speak to him/her as waiters just say they are busy.  I do not tip any other person I buy from, why in the food industry?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love not to have to tip as I feel that mostly my experience with waiters are that they do you a favour to take your order and in return expect you to tip.  I have often wanted to thank a chef for good food but cannot speak to him/her as waiters just say they are busy.  I do not tip any other person I buy from, why in the food industry?</p>
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		By: Anna-Marie Senekal		</title>
		<link>https://www.eatout.co.za/article/dirty-shame-tipping-restaurant-industry/#comment-470816</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna-Marie Senekal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 07:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The tip should not be included in the bill, because we tip according to the service we get sometimes more than 10%. If you are friendly and effieciant we will tip well irrelavant of the age or sex of the server.If the tip is included in the bill no one will bother to give a personelised or good service and the servers that goes above and beyond will not be rewarded accoringly. However we do understand if a tip is included in the bill for a big group of people. I also think it&#039;s up to the owner of the restaurant to maybe take a percentage of the overall tips to go towards back of house staff that works very hard aswell. If you are a good restauranteer you will know that taking care of your employees is to your benefit and theirs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tip should not be included in the bill, because we tip according to the service we get sometimes more than 10%. If you are friendly and effieciant we will tip well irrelavant of the age or sex of the server.If the tip is included in the bill no one will bother to give a personelised or good service and the servers that goes above and beyond will not be rewarded accoringly. However we do understand if a tip is included in the bill for a big group of people. I also think it&#8217;s up to the owner of the restaurant to maybe take a percentage of the overall tips to go towards back of house staff that works very hard aswell. If you are a good restauranteer you will know that taking care of your employees is to your benefit and theirs.</p>
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		By: mike		</title>
		<link>https://www.eatout.co.za/article/dirty-shame-tipping-restaurant-industry/#comment-470639</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tipping:
Firstly , Restaurants should pay better. After all it is their staff, Dont buck pass to the consumer.

However , It is acceptable to add a percentage to the bill so ALL the staff can enjoy the benefit of Tips ( not just the waiter)

Drinks in almost every restaurant have huge mark-ups and therefore should not be part of this tip percentage.

If this was administered fairly and the waiter was INCREDIBLE I would still single them out for a bonus]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tipping:<br />
Firstly , Restaurants should pay better. After all it is their staff, Dont buck pass to the consumer.</p>
<p>However , It is acceptable to add a percentage to the bill so ALL the staff can enjoy the benefit of Tips ( not just the waiter)</p>
<p>Drinks in almost every restaurant have huge mark-ups and therefore should not be part of this tip percentage.</p>
<p>If this was administered fairly and the waiter was INCREDIBLE I would still single them out for a bonus</p>
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		By: gail shorkend		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gail shorkend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2018 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it is up to the patron of the restaurant to tip. Otherwise the tip could be something I could not afford. Some people have more money than others.   That has to be  taken into account Best Wishes Gail]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is up to the patron of the restaurant to tip. Otherwise the tip could be something I could not afford. Some people have more money than others.   That has to be  taken into account Best Wishes Gail</p>
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		By: Beverly Young		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would prefer to have the bill include a 10% tip and be done with it. AS LONG as it is going to be shared, amongst all the staff, as per your question/article.  I hate staff fawning over me, in the hopes of a large tip at the end of the meal.  I do however, want the resource? to be able to vet/inform management if for some reason the staff member serving me, is not up to standard.  Maybe a line on the bill, where you can vote?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer to have the bill include a 10% tip and be done with it. AS LONG as it is going to be shared, amongst all the staff, as per your question/article.  I hate staff fawning over me, in the hopes of a large tip at the end of the meal.  I do however, want the resource? to be able to vet/inform management if for some reason the staff member serving me, is not up to standard.  Maybe a line on the bill, where you can vote?</p>
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